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Post by JediKnight on Jun 8, 2006 9:30:00 GMT 7
Thanks sifu for the tip.... will be a better candid shooter next time..... in Genting this afternoon perhaps... Yes, for long range candid shots..... u will definitely cannot 'ask' subject to do this and that... just shoot 'al-naturel' and HOPE for the best. But agree with sifu re the metering. OR.....PS2.... layering? For all these shots, I was just concentrating on FOCUSING on the eyes / head and shoot. Composition is not given priority.
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Post by pjs on Jun 8, 2006 9:39:58 GMT 7
err.. i would jst ask her to face the sun for me to take a shot ;D You never ask your model / subject to face the sun. Facing the sun will only result in squinting eyes. This is a big no-no for portraiture shot and very unprofessional. When shooting portraiture, your model must be as comfortable as possible – not you! You should always position your model / subject in such a way that he or she would be least affected from the glare and intensity of the harsh sunlight. In fact, she is already in the right position. Her backlit effect is already coming from a 45-degrees angle from the left. It is only the wrong method was used to shoot her! It is also good that she was not shot with her back facing the sun as the strong sunlight would be shining right through the lens. Unwanted result – lens flare. This is due to the many elements in the lens construction & when the sun is shining directly towards it.
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Post by JediKnight on Jun 8, 2006 9:45:23 GMT 7
Use fill-flash. I used this technique for some of my kiddos and wifey shots.... NICE! Wifey said.... "siaw ah.... so bright also use flash.... show off ah..... " $%#&))#) *&*@#)(*$*(*(*@# But when she saw the shots later in the hotel.... "wah..... so nice ah..... " @%#^&&(# *(#$*#& Yes, the position of the lady is nice.... with her looking 'away' from the lens... only I saja yang tak tau spot metering as what sifu mentioned! also with your wifey beside you when u r shooting girls..... COLD SWEAT man! I had a few shots with lens flare (didn't notice it earlier).... subsequently, I did a quick check for all shots for this flare and adjust accordingly to eliminate it... sometimes, if shutter speed fast enough, just raise my left hand and position it so the flare is blocked!
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Post by pjs on Jun 8, 2006 9:45:30 GMT 7
Solution:Use spot metering taking reading off her mid-tone area, below her neck, next to her left collar bone towards her right side and bracket at least EV1 fo rthe shot. How much does this spot meter cost ah? Digital / Analogue ? I have invest into many camera equipment since the day I know how to use a camera when I was in my teens. And this is one of the few things that I did not buy. Perhaps dunno where to buy or probably the cost. For Pro, they cannot afford to agak-agak no matter how experience they are and these spot metering is their "guide" to get accurate shots, they just need to "frame" it nicely or play with different filter. Without it, they are "lost" and back to agak-agak. Still no matter how they agak-agak, still better than me lar.. ;D ;D Spot metering has been around since even before digital came into the market my friend. It is a standard 'built-in' for most camera, either compact or SLR. Yes, we cannot rely on agak-agak but using spot metering is not an easy thing too if you still do not know your basic! You must understand color, lighting and composition - the 3 rules of a good photograph! Spot metering is never an insurance - you need to be experienced enough to know when and how to use it! Join us in our next myavanza.net Photo TT session and learn.
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Post by pjs on Jun 8, 2006 9:48:43 GMT 7
Use fill-flash. I used this technique for some of my kiddos and wifey shots.... NICE! Wifey said.... "siaw ah.... so bright also use flash.... show off ah..... " $%#&))#) *&*@#)(*$*(*(*@# But when she saw the shots later in the hotel.... "wah..... so nice ah..... " @%#^&&(# *(#$*#& Yes, the position of the lady is nice.... with her looking 'away' from the lens... only I saja yang tak tau spot metering as what sifu mentioned! also with your wifey beside you when u r shooting girls..... COLD SWEAT man! I had a few shots with lens flare (didn't notice it earlier).... subsequently, I did a quick check for all shots for this flare and adjust accordingly to eliminate it... sometimes, if shutter speed fast enough, just raise my left hand and position it so the flare is blocked! There's always such a thing called lens hood! What happened to your lens hood that came with the lens?
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Post by JediKnight on Jun 8, 2006 9:50:30 GMT 7
Yes sifu... and I will select a few 'screwed-up' shots for comments and rectification!
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Post by pjs on Jun 8, 2006 10:02:17 GMT 7
Yes sifu... and I will select a few 'screwed-up' shots for comments and rectification! I am no sifu lah .. just another 'learner' like yourself - aren't we all learning new things everyday anyway? Time to log off from this China net. Pack up and soon .. home sweet home! Nothing like your own country man! Am glad I am a Malaysian! Proud to be one.
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Post by JediKnight on Jun 8, 2006 10:45:00 GMT 7
Use fill-flash. I used this technique for some of my kiddos and wifey shots.... NICE! Wifey said.... "siaw ah.... so bright also use flash.... show off ah..... " $%#&))#) *&*@#)(*$*(*(*@# But when she saw the shots later in the hotel.... "wah..... so nice ah..... " @%#^&&(# *(#$*#& Yes, the position of the lady is nice.... with her looking 'away' from the lens... only I saja yang tak tau spot metering as what sifu mentioned! also with your wifey beside you when u r shooting girls..... COLD SWEAT man! I had a few shots with lens flare (didn't notice it earlier).... subsequently, I did a quick check for all shots for this flare and adjust accordingly to eliminate it... sometimes, if shutter speed fast enough, just raise my left hand and position it so the flare is blocked! There's always such a thing called lens hood! What happened to your lens hood that came with the lens? The lens hood very the 'mah-kiew-fan"..... chuck it inside the bag.... some earlier shots with the lens hood on also got flare (depending on angle of the sun lor). It was more on slowing down the lens change and also diff the rotate the CIR-PL when in use
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Post by vash on Jun 8, 2006 13:39:51 GMT 7
You never ask your model / subject to face the sun. Facing the sun will only result in squinting eyes. This is a big no-no for portraiture shot and very unprofessional. When shooting portraiture, your model must be as comfortable as possible – not you! You should always position your model / subject in such a way that he or she would be least affected from the glare and intensity of the harsh sunlight. hahahaa.. agreed. but cant do adjustments like u mentioned with my casio.. so i have no choice but to ask them to reposition themself.. or i move into a closer distance of which my flash can reach the subject..
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Post by Shine on Jun 8, 2006 21:02:03 GMT 7
Bro Astroboy is alsmot right there but not correct loh! Sorry ahh bro Astroboy but you are close to it and your procedures of using reflective board or flash will work only under controlled condition. Reasons:1) Reflective board can't be used as the subject is & would be way too far away from the bounced light source. 2) Flash unit no matter how powerful will not be able to light up her face as she is too far away from the light source. 3) Removing her hat will kill the subject current appeal and thus make the pict look just like any normal portraiture shot. Would lose its appeal! Solution:Use spot metering taking reading off her mid-tone area, below her neck, next to her left collar bone towards her right side and bracket at least EV1 fo rthe shot. :DAstro bro tq for sensible advise. I do not know if bro Sky actually got the lady to pose or it was a candid shot. So the subject wasnt forewarned to pose, thereby, candid. Lets say, the camera person anticipates the possibility of this "shadow" problem due to the position of the light source. So being a candid shot at telephoto lenght, how to contain that loose detail/resolution in that shadowy part. Sifu also thank you and have also learnt from your points to consider. Maybe I have missed these definitions prolly discussed at photo TTs I've missed. What would mid-tone be defined as? Coz with differing subjects/objects I suspect these would mean different things with respect coloration. Or does it mean no matter what colour of subject/object, its the "inbetween" colour. Please clarify. Here you mentioned, the mid-tone is located "below her neck, next to her left collar bone". Her left collar bone, is in the light. Then on the same line you mention "towards her right side". I'm confused, boss. The other part re jargon (bracket at least EV1 for the shot) I'll just have to try to learn. Donno these terms/glossary, hope to learn as I go along. Its why I'm using idiot proof camera. ;D
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Post by Shine on Jun 8, 2006 21:26:38 GMT 7
You never ask your model / subject to face the sun. Facing the sun will only result in squinting eyes. This is a big no-no for portraiture shot and very unprofessional. When shooting portraiture, your model must be as comfortable as possible – not you! You should always position your model / subject in such a way that he or she would be least affected from the glare and intensity of the harsh sunlight. In fact, she is already in the right position. Her backlit effect is already coming from a 45-degrees angle from the left. It is only the wrong method was used to shoot her! It is also good that she was not shot with her back facing the sun as the strong sunlight would be shining right through the lens. Unwanted result – lens flare. This is due to the many elements in the lens construction & when the sun is shining directly towards it. Ohhhh I like this ... learning ... learning, more please, TQ.
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Post by Shine on Jun 8, 2006 22:00:49 GMT 7
How much does this spot meter cost ah? Digital / Analogue ? I have invest into many camera equipment since the day I know how to use a camera when I was in my teens. And this is one of the few things that I did not buy. Perhaps dunno where to buy or probably the cost. For Pro, they cannot afford to agak-agak no matter how experience they are and these spot metering is their "guide" to get accurate shots, they just need to "frame" it nicely or play with different filter. Without it, they are "lost" and back to agak-agak. Still no matter how they agak-agak, still better than me lar.. ;D ;D Spot metering has been around since even before digital came into the market my friend. It is a standard 'built-in' for most camera, either compact or SLR. Yes, we cannot rely on agak-agak but using spot metering is not an easy thing too if you still do not know your basic! You must understand color, lighting and composition - the 3 rules of a good photograph! Spot metering is never an insurance - you need to be experienced enough to know when and how to use it! Join us in our next myavanza.net Photo TT session and learn. God willing, will attend. Want to make good pics.
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Post by pjs on Jun 9, 2006 15:04:21 GMT 7
Bro Astroboy is alsmot right there but not correct loh! Sorry ahh bro Astroboy but you are close to it and your procedures of using reflective board or flash will work only under controlled condition. Reasons:1) Reflective board can't be used as the subject is & would be way too far away from the bounced light source. 2) Flash unit no matter how powerful will not be able to light up her face as she is too far away from the light source. 3) Removing her hat will kill the subject current appeal and thus make the pict look just like any normal portraiture shot. Would lose its appeal! Solution:Use spot metering taking reading off her mid-tone area, below her neck, next to her left collar bone towards her right side and bracket at least EV1 fo rthe shot. :DAstro bro tq for sensible advise. I do not know if bro Sky actually got the lady to pose or it was a candid shot. So the subject wasnt forewarned to pose, thereby, candid. Lets say, the camera person anticipates the possibility of this "shadow" problem due to the position of the light source. So being a candid shot at telephoto lenght, how to contain that loose detail/resolution in that shadowy part. Sifu also thank you and have also learnt from your points to consider. Maybe I have missed these definitions prolly discussed at photo TTs I've missed. What would mid-tone be defined as? Coz with differing subjects/objects I suspect these would mean different things with respect coloration. Or does it mean no matter what colour of subject/object, its the "inbetween" colour. Please clarify. Here you mentioned, the mid-tone is located "below her neck, next to her left collar bone". Her left collar bone, is in the light. Then on the same line you mention "towards her right side". I'm confused, boss. The other part re jargon (bracket at least EV1 for the shot) I'll just have to try to learn. Donno these terms/glossary, hope to learn as I go along. Its why I'm using idiot proof camera. ;D Ai-yoh .... in plain simple english language, mid-tone means the 'in-between' lah. Example - dark, darker, darkest. You take the darker but not the darkest. As for bracketing your shots ...-hmmm .... let me sit back, relax, drink my cuppa' starbucks cofcee and think about it - try to come up with another plain simple english language explaination for you later.
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Post by Shine on Jun 10, 2006 0:35:45 GMT 7
Ai-yoh .... in plain simple english language, mid-tone means the 'in-between' lah. Example - dark, darker, darkest. You take the darker but not the darkest. As for bracketing your shots ...-hmmm .... let me sit back, relax, drink my cuppa' starbucks cofcee and think about it - try to come up with another plain simple english language explaination for you later. Thank you anyway. Ok!! Starbucks on me, where, when? ;D
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Post by pjs on Jun 11, 2006 6:25:24 GMT 7
Ai-yoh .... in plain simple english language, mid-tone means the 'in-between' lah. Example - dark, darker, darkest. You take the darker but not the darkest. As for bracketing your shots ...-hmmm .... let me sit back, relax, drink my cuppa' starbucks cofcee and think about it - try to come up with another plain simple english language explaination for you later. Thank you anyway. Ok!! Starbucks on me, where, when? ;D Any StarBucks where there is TimeCom WiFi to use!!! ;D
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